Attacks From A Random Reader, Apparently I’m a Retard! And So Are You!
Posted by: homelessgirl on: April 29, 2009
I was hoping to take a break from the God discussions (only for a bit ) but I have had to change my decision.
Now I usually don’t do this but I feel that because this person has gone through so much effort to attack me and seems very passionate I would like to give them a whole blog post so you readers can see the type of people who say you don’t need to God to have a basis for morality.
And this is a true comment that someone one left on my How could a loving God? post. Now even though I may disagree with someone I never have to resort to such horrible language and personal attacks.
I wish you would actually attack my evidence and what I’m saying rather than resorting to trying to ridicule my character.
In what you thought would be the ultimate “enlightenment” of me and others you have only made yourself look foolish and created a cliche of what atheists are like. Sorry but that’s the truth.
The only person you’ve hurt is yourself and I’m sorry that your heart is hardened.
Like I’ve always said being an atheist has nothing to do with intellectualism its a moral issue. You can’t stand the fact that you have to be accountable to anyone other than yourself and so you belittle anyone who believes in God, attacking their wisdom so they seem foolish. Anyone who knows me will know that I am highly intellectual and cerebral and so to call me a fool is a very low form of argumentation.
Any one who needs help defending their faith, I hope you can get help from this.
Here is the comment below and my response will follow. WARNING: there is strong language and you know I don’t have much of a tolerance for that.
From James:
I must say that I have no respect for you to try and find an answer to this and actually use the Bible as your main source. Religion is all about what gives you comfort and strength to deal with the enigma of life.
You sit there and argue all these points using the Bible, logically? How much of a retard are you? You must truly be homeless.
The Bible is a storybook with little stories to tell people how to generally be good. People who take them literally and use it in logical arguments are RETARDS. People who are actually scared of a God that has never made His presence known and have only fallen to the World’s oldest scam, are also RETARDS.
Religion is great in finding solidarity and using it as a crutch when you can’t find the answer in yourself. But this whole idea that God has human type morals and reasoning? First off that means he wouldn’t be any type of God, but just a human with power. God can’t have a SON that is what animals do. You saying God is an animal? There is no ‘grace’ to fall from. There is you and then there is us. If you’re too much of a pussy to take responsibility for your actions then you deserve it like all the other general Christians. DON’T SHOULDER YOUR BLAME ON GOD.
If you had truly read the Bible and you saw how people react to it today, you’d see its all bullshit. If ONE thing is fallible in the bible, isn’t it safe to say all of it is? THERE IS NO PROOF for half of the shit in the bible. People may have lived. But were acts really committed? jesus didn’t raise anyone from the dead. He was a good guy and i bet HE lived a nice life because he had made peace with himself and didn’t waste all his time worrying about what the fuck god wants.
Other people did that. Other people like you. And now there’s too much ignorance in the world preventing people from believing in themselves.
And my response.
I must say that I have no respect for you to try and find an answer to this and actually use the Bible as your main source. Religion is all about what gives you comfort and strength to deal with the enigma of life.
Yes James religion is what gives people comfort but I don’t have a religion I have a relationship with God.
You sit there and argue all these points using the Bible, logically? How much of a retard are you? You must truly be homeless.
So any one who is homeless must be retarded by your ideals. So in your thinking 2.3 billion people and the many others who are homeless are retarted and you James are the beacon of wisdom on this earth.
I don’t have to argue any points, I present them to you not in a spiritual manner or emotional manner but in the way you prefer using your brain. And clearly that has not worked.
The Bible is a storybook with little stories to tell people how to generally be good. People who take them literally and use it in logical arguments are RETARDS. People who are actually scared of a God that has never made His presence known and have only fallen to the World’s oldest scam, are also RETARDS.
The bible is not a storybook with little stories on how to be good. It is God’s perfect word that explains the origins, past and future of mankind. I never asked you to believe it. I am not scared of God but I do have a reverential fear that without him I am nothing and he has all the power in the world. How do you know God has never made his presence known? I can say with absolute fact that not one day goes by that I do not sense the tangible presence of God. I wish you would do, he desires to have a relationship with you. Why would human beings need to have a scam about a God who desires and loves them and to turn away from sin.
You see yourself as the God of your own life and cannot stand putting anyone in that position.
God can’t have a SON that is what animals do. You saying God is an animal? There is no ‘grace’ to fall from. There is you and then there is us. If you’re too much of a pussy to take responsibility for your actions then you deserve it like all the other general Christians. DON’T SHOULDER YOUR BLAME ON GOD.
God does not have human type morals and reasoning but reasoning and morals came from God and he made us in his image.
So are you saying your an animal as well? And your saying that the God who created the universe can’t have a son and the reason why you can’t grasp that is because you reason that God would have to have sex to produce a child. But if you read John 1 in the amplified bible it would explain it very clearly.
All of us have fallen from grace. If you haven’t read my other posts you will realise that I have taken responsibility for my actions or do you expect me to say I caused my mother to have cancer or I made myself sleep on the street. And what is it that general Christians deserve? I don’t shoulder my blame on God but I shoulder all that I am on his wonderful self.
If you had truly read the Bible and you saw how people react to it today, you’d see its all bullshit…
Erm I didn’t know there were other ways to read the bible I just thought it was opening it and using my eyes to navigate the page. My bad.
Who is it that reacts to it today, your friends? And in case you haven’t noticed I don’t care much about what people think about me.
If ONE thing is fallible in the bible, isn’t it safe to say all of it is
Show me the ONE thing that is fallible in the bible, and no it isn’t safe to say all of it is.
THERE IS NO PROOF for half of the shit in the bible. People may have lived. But were acts really committed?
There is no proof? or you refuse to accept it as fact because it disproves your ideals. If you want facts find out here
Yes acts were committed otherwise there would be no need to put them there.
jesus didn’t raise anyone from the dead.
Where you there when Lazarus was raised from the dead?
He was a good guy and i bet HE lived a nice life because he had made peace with himself and didn’t waste all his time worrying about what the fuck god wants.
Jesus was not only a good and perfect guy but fully man fully God. He did not need to make peace with himself because He was not in conflict about his sinful nature because he never sinned.
No Jesus did not worry about anything. But you claimed to know about the bible yet you say Jesus did not care what God did. So why would He say “no not my will but yours be done… or I only do what I see my father do” Or why would he need to return back to his father if he was exercising his own rebellious free will?
To be honest the only ignorance I can see is when you call homeless people retards and I don’t think that will go down to well with some of the readers of my blog. And no I don’t believe in myself because I did not create the world, I did not send my son to die for the sake of people who hate me and I am greatly fallible.
You can’t rely on yourself because you will fail.
Also I have noticed that you still spell God with a capital letter and emphasise him when you speak about him, so I think your still searching for God under those defences. Otherwise you wouldn’t have ended up on this blog. 
Have a good day and thanks for commenting. I will always have love for you.
N
22 Responses to "Attacks From A Random Reader, Apparently I’m a Retard! And So Are You!"
May 2, 2009 at 12:59 am
It’s interesting to me most of the people that deny God but they believe in that Jesus was real, not that he was the son of God but that he was real. Why believe there was a Jesus if you don’t believe there was a God.
May 2, 2009 at 4:43 am
Okay, I admit I went a little too far with the retard relative to homeless comments. I apologize.
But my argument still stands in that people should have evolved enough by now to not need the supernatural for a crutch. We get the majority of our love and nurture from other people. God shouldn’t get the credit. Yes, I put God’s name starting with a capital simply because I respect the idea of a God, just not the Christian idea. The Christian idea is way too fallible and has proven too flimsy and open for debate over the years.
Again, there is nothing wrong with that but then again how can all these different people call themselves Christians? It just doesn’t settle well with me to ignore certain aspects and welcome others all in the same religion, because it won’t feel right that way.
You have a personal relationship with your God and that’s wonderful. But you don’t need the Bible to do it. I stand by the storybook statement. Its historical accuracy is controversial definitely some things happened. Jesus certainly lived. Also to point out to syinly, its actually quite reasonable to believe that Jesus lived. He lived a human life. The fact that he was divine is frankly nothing more than a superstition you believe very seriously.
Do you know who primarily believes in raising the dead? Wiccans and ancient pagans and various religions like that. So why are they cast away and yet Christians believe it is possible to raise the dead and assume that during Armageddon the dead will all rise?
And yes it has been a scam, and even an excuse to commit genocide. Just look at the messy inefficiency of Christianity’s past.
May 2, 2009 at 12:06 pm
James thank you for apologizing but at best it is half-assed thats the way I see it. You have only apologized for insinuating that homelessness is a mental retardation and that belief in the wonders of God is a delusion.
You have not apologized for swearing on my blog, insulting me personally even though I have never met you. You have only been an advertisement about the failures of perceived”enlightenment” the only person you have hurt is yourself and your argument.
You came in agressive and that set the whole tone of your argument, the only thing people are going to remember is the cruelty and not the basis of your argument.
Because you have nothing to base your morality on when you take out the bible to you it is okay to insult me, attack my intellect and my personhood. So that is why your apology is not sincere.
So I ask you Why did you need to apologize to me? if we go by your standards of the irrationality of God and the bible.
I sit because I feature a whole post to you and you were ashamed of being discovered? Before you answer my rebuttal I would want you to answer those questions first.
Now my response
1. You get the majority of your love form other people? You seem to trust people a lot and what happens when someone hurts you, you go to the other and to the other and to the other… never feeling validated. I do get love from other people but I am not dependent on their love I’m dependent on the one who IS love.
2. We did not evolve from anything we were created.
3. Believe me when you experience the type of supernatural that I have experienced you will find there is no crutch there and that God is so wonderful and real.
4. You have an opposition to the Christian God because it goes against what you believe to be God, you don’t want to be subject to someone who tells you, you have violated his perfect law.
5. People remember, PEOPLE have taken the bible out of context, taken their own agenda, selfishly misunderstood and in doing so have committed atrocities have justified apartheid
6. Why don’t I need the bible to have a relationship with God. It is his word his perfect word and the beginning of the relationship, the deeper I go into the word the more I find out about who he is and why I am called a sinner.
7. Do you have proof that I am living a superstition by believing Jesus was divine please throw me a bible scripture or historical eveidence that proves me irrationality. And also I just wanted to ask. If 2000 years later this one name has been spoke by any other name, the bible has sold billions of copies and that same guy is still the most famous man that ever lived. And you deny that he existed let alone he was God. Isn’t that a delusion?
8. The reasons why Wiccans and pagans are cast away is because they have no moral basis to decide what is right and wrong, they choose to bring people from the dead because of selfish reasons. every miracle within christainity is to bring glory to God and his awesome power. They don’t believe that they want to raise people from the dead because they think its fun not because it would be an awesome testimony to the wonderful powers of Jesus who overcame death and that with God nothing is impossible.
9. Like I said Religion poisons things and undermines God, but God is always the same. That is why I write posts like this because I am sure you were a Christian once and were offended when your prayer wasn’t answered or people couldn’t logically give you an answer to your questions. The body of Christ has been ill equipped and now I have the opportunity to explain to you why those people were wrong. If only you would hear me out but I highly doubt that. Now I want to wait and see your comment below to see you poke holes in my rebuttal. I bet you’ll say something along the lines that I’m delusional probably throw in something about the flying spaghetti monster or that there is overwhelming evidence for evolution and that most bible scholars don’t believe in the stories of the bible. Go on I would like to see what you come up with.
May 2, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Syinly- because they don’t want to appear stupid because of the overwhelming truth that Jesus exists. So they attack his divinity so the whole foundation of Christianity will crumble and therefore solidifying their beliefs.
To defeat something you start at the foundation.
They tried to attack the whole personal experience testimony and that didn’t work so they attack at the foundation and because so many are incredible weak at their faith, gullible or even bother to read the word many are convinced and that is why there is a great falling away.
May 2, 2009 at 10:57 pm
You don’t wanna accept the apology because it was half assed? Honestly, I didn’t have to apologize at all right? I”m never going to meet you in person but I did anyway.
I never denied the existence of Jesus. He LIVED which is what people do. He hadn’t always been. And yeah he’s still talked about but you know what? So is Shakespeare. Jesus is just more popular thats all.
You deny evolution and hold human beings to be such wonderful creatures that we were created in a Gods image. That is incredibly pretentious. God was created in Man’s image makes much more sense and gives great explanation to why religion is so fucked up. God should not be subject to debate and yet its perfectly okay to kill your wife for cheating on you, according to God. Or perhaps your parents beat the crap out of you and if you raise an arm to defend yourself and cause any harm to your parents, you can be killed. Wow God is so compassionate right? And don’t blame those on PEOPLE that was all God’s law.
Even in the bible, God has been shown to admit mistake and that tears down the entire idea of a Christian God in its entirety.
And yes I use curse words because they are excellent at creating emphasis, which is all they do. For an intellectual person I’m surprised you’re offended by curse words. They’re not even frowned upon nor existent in the Bible so whats the big deal. Just another way you have succumbed to cultural norms. Honestly, what’s the difference between saying, I have to go number 2, or I have to take a shit? They both mean the same thing. Its about the connotation of the word. You are the only one who chooses to be offended by words. And its pretty petty to actually give a fuck about who curses these days when they’re just words to begin with.
But your right. I don’t want to subject myself to his “perfect law” which has already proven to be fallible on so many accounts. If the known world was created in 7 days almost 6000 years ago. Why is there evidence to state that the world is over 6 billion years old?
Is that supposed to be God playing tricks on us? Because a Loving, caring God would do such a thing right? So essentially religion is for the weak-willed who need some higher deity to push them because they can’t push themselves. Call it a ‘loving relationship’ but its more of a sado-masochistic relationship. People just love to play victim.
Now a personal relationship with your own belief in God? That is actually something worth having. One you discover on your own without reading about past experiences. Your perception of God should not be the same as someone else’s. Then you’re not connecting with your God. Just an illusion of what is the general expectation of a god.
And thats what the bible does. Its a quick way to get people into the illusion.
Just the shear fact that there are so many religions in the world should be proof enough the Christianity is wrong. It would be ignorant of you to say Christianity is right whereas Buddhism is wrong. But, I can say that all of them are wrong because generalized religion has proven failure. It is obsolete and unnecessary for this step on the evolutionary ladder.
Yes people will let you down but they’ll also pick you up. They’re the ones that are going to be there in the end. Besides yourself of course.
Jesus did not raise anyone from the dead. Nor himself. You weren’t there and neither was I. But because it has never happened before or after that to this day, I believe that my evidence outweighs your evidence on this one.
You really think a God who has such perfect laws would violate them himself to prove a point to us, his creation? That’s called being cocky. Yet another man-made idea fed into a supernatural concept.
And by the way, I believe everything I said here ‘worked’ Its not like I expect to win this but you actually took all the time to read it and perhaps i caused some form of cognitive dissonance and so I am pleased. Nothing you have said has changed my views I hope you know because honestly it was just a bunch of nonsense hidden in unprovable babble. The Bible is not a scientific journal. It is a storybook with basic ideas of what human morals should be like.
May 2, 2009 at 11:07 pm
I never was a Christian who turned away because my prayer didn’t get answered or some nonsense.
Prayer is like wishing on a star. Its for little kids and superstitions.
If you want something to happen, make it happen. And if it doesn’t then oh well. In the end it was always ‘God’s will’ right? so whatever happens will happen regardless of you praying for it.
Arguing about religion is literally idiotic in that religion has explanations not proven. I can back up what I say just by analyzing the situation with logic. You can use the word ‘God’ and automatically be right. But thats a pretty shitty and phony way to live life.
May 3, 2009 at 2:52 pm
I’m only going to address what you said about laws and give my final opinion because I have answered every single question and it will never penetrate your mind or your heart because it is hardened.
I know you would love to feel great that you maybe somehow changed my mind or make me doubt my faith or as you call it cognitive dissonance. The reason I answered your question was because you came on to my blog, I wrote a post for my regular readers and those who struggled with that question.
Remember this, YOU started the argument, YOU swore at me ( and it really takes a fool, not an idiot or moron there is a difference…a fool, to equate intellectualism with swearing) They are offensive because they take the worst part of the meaning of the word and turn it into something to offend people with, that is why)
What I find funny is that. YOU found this post, YOU started with the abusive comment, YOU have replied every time. If you are not searching for something then I don’t know what else to say to you. Logic, reasoning and arguing objectively isn’t going to work with you, you need a physical demonstration of God’s power and believe me you will see it. And when you do I would like you to email me and tell me all about it. Mark my words. But then again you might be to proud to tell me about it.
There is a difference between laws that judge you and laws for living God did not judge any one based on civil and ceremonial laws but on his moral law:
1. The Ceremonial Law. For the worship of God–how the Tabernacle was to be constructed, what to wear–ordinances saying not to wear cotton and wool together because the combination produces sweat. What to eat–certain animals are “scavengers” and are not healthy to eat, etc.
2. The Civil Law. How the nation of Israel was to govern. How they were to treat their slaves (servants), punish murderers, rapists, how to stop rebellion, etc.
3. The Moral Law. The Ten Commandments. God sees the thought-life of each of us and considers lust a violation of the Seventh Commandment (see Matthew 5:27-28). He also sees hatred as murder. It is the Moral Law that you are bound by (see Romans 2:15) and that is the Law that will judge you on Judgment Day (see Romans 2:12, James 2:12). It is the Moral Law that will justly send you to Hell for your sins.
The Isrealites in the desert begged for a law, so they could govern themselves instead of living in total relationship with God.
He gave them a perfect law knowing perfectly well they would violate them without his grace because he knew that they would need a saviour, Jesus Christ. The whole bible is about Him. He is the word (read John 1) http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%201&version=45
Is that cocky? Oh yes, but he’s God…He created the world and he deserves to take all the credit.
One more thing if you want to have the last word. Please mention the evidence that supports evolution greatly, fossil wise…without looking on google btw. Or is it something you heard on the news? Your not that gullible to believe what is on the news right??!
May 4, 2009 at 7:23 pm
homlessgirl,
Keep standing up for the faith, you are doing a great job!
“I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes.” – Romans 1:16
May 4, 2009 at 7:54 pm
thank you very much deanB that’s very encouraging to hear but you know that many people will never accept that. And I bet you the James guy will come back again and argue and argue but I will always answer.
Thanks for reading.
May 4, 2009 at 8:13 pm
According to the Bible God is Omnipotent, he is All Powerful….Could God create a rock so heavy that he could not lift it?
Well if he can’t create a rock so heavy that he can’t lift it, then isn’t he logically NOT Omnipotent?
I would actually like to see you answer this one since you believe you know everything
May 4, 2009 at 10:09 pm
thanks squirrels for contacting me.
Okay well I have heard this dumb question before and atheists just love to use it.
For this to be an actual logical and valid question God the creator himself would have to be bound by the laws of gravity.
God is not bound by his creation. He is God. I got this analogy from somewhere on the web: This is like asking on what page of Shakespeare’s Hamlet can we find Shakespeare? It is an illogical question. One could argue that Shakespeare’s characteristics are in the play, but he, as the playwright, is certainly not bound by the pages of his work.
Basically the question assumes that God is bound by the laws of gravity and other laws. How can something God himself created be bigger than, greater than or wiser than he.
It is an illogical question and an illogical assumption and does not describe the God of the bible it may be another god that has been created by men that is limited but the God of the bible is limitless
thanks for reading and stopping by
May 5, 2009 at 7:30 am
The Bible doesn’t say how long ago it was created. People added the ages of the characters together. Hardly reliable.
As James of Tardus here… may he be blinded for three days by a voice from above. May he also have a name change to say Chuck or Freddy.
May 5, 2009 at 10:25 am
Wait I’m sorry what are you asking. How long ago the bible was created or how long ago the earth was created?
If it’s about the chronology of Man existing on the earth let me do a simple math equation here so you can understand.http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=5&version=45 Check here out for future reference.
Adam was the first man, apart from his other sons and daughters he had a son named Seth. Seth had Enosh, Enosh had Kenan e.t.c Then through this magical thing called addition. You can add up the years and work out the time between the creation of man to Jesus Christ to modern day. Also look up James Ussher it will help tremendously.
And actually it is very reliable, not as reliable as say changing your idea of the earth’s age being 5billion odd years old.
I can obviously detect the sarcasm but the foolish thing is people think God has to yell down from the sky and blind people to make himself known he can do what ever he pleases he is God. But if you go back and read the bible you would realize that most of the people who God made himself known to like that they were usually incredible thick and so hard hearted. Like Paul, I mean he was murderer.
God doesn’t have to change any one’s name. But Saul’s name was changed to Paul because he was a new creature in Christ the old him was dead.
Thanks for stopping by and reading. I’m always willing to answer questions
May 6, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Well keep in mind that there’s always been a clash between the Enlightenment and the Renaissance, the authoritarian self-righteous model and the model where all participate. James even thinks you should be satisfied with his apology. How dare you demand civility and respect?! (for all the grammar nazis, that’s called an interrobang).
Adding ages is unreliable for several reasons.
Errors
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Say you wanted find out how many tomatoes you sold. You wouldn’t call all your customers and add the number of tomatoes on their receipts. The numbers of errors that could occur in the recording off receipts and in the adding of all the receipts.
Generally more errors occur when you have more operations. If you have to count tomatoes in 10 boxes instead of 1 you have the potential of 10 errors. The 1 error might be larger but it will get caught and hopefully corrected. If you have to deal with 10 boxes you either hire 10 people and error check each one or hire 1 person and error check each box.
Instead you would count the tomatoes you have at the beginning of the month and count them at the end of the month then you subtract.
Relevance
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There are no magic solutions. If you want answers you pick the resources related to the topic. The ages of people tell you about the age of civilization and particularly only the one they share. The ages of rocks and plants all of which are more numerous and have been here longer than man (see Genesis) is a better source of information because there are many points which have to meet or be discarded.
God isn’t a magician, He cannot change the most fundamental rules of reality, the consistency principle. If God lied he would cease to be God.
Ultimately it doesn’t matter: If it’s 4.5 billion years old or 6000, murder is still wrong.
May 7, 2009 at 11:16 am
Please your arguments are all over the place can you actually make a point.
The tomato point, God wrote the word so there is no error. simple
No God isn’t a magician but he is a miracle worker. He is not bound by the rules he subjected man to.
No actually god cannot lie because it is not in his nature to do so and it is impossible to do so because if he said it it would become truth.
What basis do you have that murder is wrong? What is your moral basis to make that statement on?
If we are all animals then it really isn’t murder is it. It’s just someone died out and thats life. The murderer could argue with you that it is his moral right, as he sees best to kill that person. Who are we to stop him if there is no God and this life is nothing but a collision of matter.
Do you see where I’m going with this.
You see what I find ridiculous is that people who claim to be smart are arguing with me about their right to swear. Excuse me you can go and swear all you like but this is MY blog. were it will not be tolerated and you really must be a fool to try and justify your right to swear because you can think of any effective words to describe what your saying and have to use words, any idiot can say.
Jeez. Does any one else see the ridiculousness of this?
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May 7, 2009 at 8:42 pm
God didn’t write the Bible.
Even if He had, you would still have to prove He wasn’t some powerful tyrant.
He has the right to swear and you have the right to delete it. We have the right to be wrong but we only have right to pursue happiness. Consequences don’t go away.
Murder is wrong because it is taking away life. Taking away life, takes many things away. Murder silences the innocent, the potential of repentance, it’s irrational, it keeps the flames of violence burning, there’s not a single redeeming thing about it.
And it’s hypocritical in that the murderer would not want it.
The idea that I need an authoritarian basis to know right from wrong is silly. Right and wrong are self evident by applying the example to one self.
Good is full of paradoxes.
Evil is full of contradictions.
May 7, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Can I ask what are you actually arguing about? I can’t seem to figure it out. please state your opinions below so I can directly respond to them
May 7, 2009 at 9:10 pm
1. The ages of people cannot tell you the age of the Earth. Just like the ages of gorillas cannot tell you the age of the forest.
2. Right and wrong are easily determined:
a. by the fruits
b. by general application
c. by consistency
3. Basing judgement on self-serving arguments about the validity of the Bible is worshipping the Bible. We are to worship God, follow Jesus’s example, and read the Bible. Instead we look for God in every image and talisman so we can follow him, we read about Jesus, and we worship the Bible.
If someone were looking for my child to harm them, I probably would lie about their . Does that make lying good? No. Would I feel sorry about it, probably not. War is evil. Even if an attack saves 1 million from 2 million possible deaths. It is evil because it fails #2 and #3.
God is God, the Bible is a historical, cultural, and social collection.
The Bible is not God.
May 7, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Okay so are you a Christian then? Or you just like to pick and choose which part of the bible you like and makes you seem less like a nut?
I’m not really sure, based on the answers you give me.
What does evil have to do with this, are you telling me that evil is relative? well to God it isn’t , to God lying is evil. Hatred is murder. But Jesus saved us from the just punishment and wrath of God by solely depending on him for our salvation and trusting in his grace. If right and wrong is subjective and relative and applied by social norms will pedophilia be okay in 50 years because it goes against the inherent nature of the guilty party. seems hard to believe doesn’t it?
Okay I need to explain this to you. The bible adds up the age from Adam up till Noah that’s a few thousand years and from reading other verses we can work out up to modern day. Why is that so hard for you to see. I am not going to change my view just as much as your not going to change your view.
In John 1 it says that in the beginning was the word and the word was God and the word was with God…and the word become flesh(Jesus) So if I’m worshiping the bible it means I’m worshiping Jesus because He is the Word.
No we are to worship God, worship Jesus because he is God and live our life totally transformed so we are imitators of God’s, click here and listen to this before you accuse me of heresy: http://tinyurl.com/c7×7w5
Erm I don’t look for God in every talisman in fact I don’t have to look for God because I know where he is, all I have to do to get his attention is “come boldly to the thrown” and speak to him and he hears me and I hear his voice.
Why are you arguing about whether war or killing is bad of course it is. I never said that it wasn’t.
The bible is the Word of God, and Jesus is the Word of God therefore it is his word and it is him.
I hope I’ve answered your question as best I can but really your make it very hard for me to get my points across because I can’t figure what it is your actually arguing about. Sorry.
If I come across as mocking or sarcastic I’m sorry but this is the best method in getting my point across to someone who tries to argue these things. As you can tell from the rest of my blog I try my best to be a courteous person and let others see the love of God within me.
But at the moment my patience is running very low because I’m constantly answering the same questions over and over again.
If you want to talk about this more privately or more you can google chat me or email me at dlistblog@gmail.com. I can answer every question you have (after your comment btw)
Thanks for stopping by, thanks for reading and thanks for adding to my comments number.
God bless
May 7, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Well I don’t want to keep pressing on this – I’m actually interested in the ask anything thread – but I’ll say this:
There is a moral standard that even God has to follow – that standard is not relative it exists as a consequence of consistent reality (which He created). Think of it as the rules that make the rules. It’s the stuff 2+2=4 is made of. Morality must stand on the most fundamental grounds that are possible.
I said lying was wrong even if good things come by it. I said war was evil even if it saved people. I hardly think that’s a relativist position.
I just think think that anythi
Basing a judgment on the Bible doesn’t make it absolute. It just makes it relative to Bible.
Morality is absolute. And to be absolute it must apply everywhere. That means it must remain the same no matter what point of reference you use. It’s a curse of discourse that we must use references when we talk about things, but we can still find a model which is relative to all things (making it universal and therefore absolute).
Anyway, I’d really rather help you than argue with you.
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April 29, 2009 at 8:45 pm
hmmm well that person is kind of a dick.
but you handled it really well, you could probably debate